Socializing my 1-1/2 year old dog makes me thing about what we value. We definitely value “sit” for dogs and kids. We expect kids to sit through junior and senior kindergarten (which is why the Waldorf method does do anything like that until children are at least 7. We need to domesticate our children young so we can work. We use choke chains, muzzles on our dogs. On our kids we use technology. I know, I am such a hypocrite, considering I’ve been chained to the TV set since a young age–because both my parents worked.